I don't know why I bother trying to reply to the "tech bloggers/podcasters" on Twitter. They just ignore my comments. :P
2 years, 3 months ago.
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There are a select few that sometimes comment back, but for the most part it's like talking in a vacuum. :P (i.e. comments to @mollywood re: Apple pricing)
Yeah, I agree. I wish I could get a couple of my Twitter friends to come to Jaiku, but the last Twitter contact I told about Jaiku expressed a very brief interest, but didn't follow up. sigh
When I was trying to get Josh Bancroft to come to Jaiku, I told him I felt like Twitter was for talking at people, while Jaiku was for talking with people. I dunno if perhaps he felt annoyed by that (though I don't think so), or whatever, but I feel that it's true.
I always feel like I'm shouting in Twitter since there's no way to see something that just passes by like in Jaiku - especially as a comment on something. Love the threads - and the substance.
It was very cool for getting updates during the Apple announcement, but I just feel too limited by it otherwise. Of course, part of that is because it's hard for me to keep to a 140-char limit. smirk
When I do see extended "conversations" there, I think to myself how much nicer the flow would be if they were on Jaiku, and how much more input they could be getting from other people.
Yes. Twitter's success is often said to reside in its simplicity, but I think that's not true. I think it resides in the fact that you can broadcast your small 140-char. messages without getting any unwanted feedback.
<p>@rubin: Definitely. I would add that it's not only about unwanted feedback, it's about not ignoring people as well. With twitter it's surprising and serendipitous if, say, Robert Scoble replies. Heck, it's pretty cool if anyone replies. Which is also why it works so well—you don't have to reply and there are no hard feelings. I like twitter because of that.</p>
<p>I'm not sure how Jaiku would work for the top twitterers. How would they deal with the feedback and questions?</p>
Well, I had some hard feelings! :P I admit, I shouldn't really expect people on the "A list" to respond. But when I see someone post a reply to someone, it makes me think they might also reply to me. It's annoying when they don't.
By the same token, I have accidentally not replied to someone on Twitter because I didn't realize they had sent me a message until it was too late. And when that happens, it's not like on Jaiku, where I could send a reply even though it's late. If more than maybe a few hours has passed, the opportunity is gone. Sometimes that's fine, but sometimes it feels like people on there have ADD to the max. :P
@rcadden: Aww, how nice. :) Well, first of all, you have never ignored me, even when we had our disagreements re: iPhone ( :) ). We've had pretty good discussions here. Secondly, I don't think I have you as a Twitter contact...
I'm just annoyed in general at how NOT like Jaiku Twitter is. I suppose I've gotten too used to free-flowing convos here that when I don't get that on Twitter (hell, even Pownce has better conversational flow), it's frustrating. What most Twitter users interpret as simple lack of interest in responding, I take it as outright ignoring (does that make sense?). Feh. I will just monitor Twitter and have my "real" interaction here.
Hey, Atmasphere. Maybe you can work on Josh Bancroft to get him over here!
@lemonad - depends if they want to control the conversation, or guide it.
I've found here, that the 'principle' (ie, the conversation starter) doesn't have to be around to answer every comment - they can just start, and answer the ones that interest them - and their community/followers/fans will join in and help out.. just by getting involved in the conversation.
Personally, I prefer a meritocracy of ideas to a publisher-autocracy.
I've made my strong push for Jaiku on Twitter previously ... It's not the features, but the people that make any service sticky.
Twitter is uncontrolled on all levels. To me it's like seeing an outdoor ad you can reply to but the person to whom you are replying may bit see you if they don't make you a contact or happen to be be away when you do. Jaiku captures all of it which is civil on all fronts.
This reminds me of something: Last week, I was looking for an IM app on Facebook, but couldn't find anything satisfactory. So I asked Robert Scoble the question on his Facebook wall: which app does he recommend?
Well, first, he responded. And pretty quickly. Which means that some A-lister actually care about their audience.
Second, here was his answer: he doesn't use IM so much these days. He'd rather use Twitter for that purpose.
What do you think of that? Personally, if something might replace IM, it would be Jaiku, not Twitter.
Yeah I don't like that answer. I translate that to mean "I don't like corresponding on a personal and usably interactive level so I use twitter. If I see it I see it, if I don't I don't."
If he's in the midst of some kind of experiment then that's a different story (I don't read his blog so I don't know). If he's attempting to actually change his main method of online comms from IM to twitter and email to facebook...
His basic asumption, if I got it right, is that public messages are faster to retrieve and should therefore be used as much as possible... It isn't completely ridiculous, but I don't think it can be applied to a business environment.
Can it be applied to any environment? If you want to get a message to somone promptly and interact with them would you IM them or twitter/facebook message them? There's a reason the I stands for instant lol.
Well, there is some truth in saying that not all one-on-one communications require the degree of attention implied by IM or email. This is why you have Twitter, Jaiku or Pownce in the first place.
<p>Ouch, I've been away for an hour and so many things to comment on! I'll pick none (i.e. do the twitter ;) and say this: I can see going public with all communication in terms of showing how many things are talked about, asked and responded to each day. With email, there's a sort of vacuum. It might have taken a person less than a minute to write an ill-informed question and you an hour to try to set things right. Will that person read your reply? Who knows—so much can go wrong—it might get caught by spam filters, be misunderstood and angrily deleted, forgotten about, etc.</p>
<p>If the same reply would have been posted on facebook, other people might read it and not email the same question. Additionally, they would also see that you responded to a bunch of people that day and understand that there's a limit to your time—and they would leave saying you were pretty cool to actually take the time to reply to all those other people, even if you didn't have the time to answer their question.</p>
@malach: I hear you, I definitely prefer Jaiku's style of conversation to twitter... but the thing is that, ehrm, twitter was my first and it's hard to forget about that even though it's over :)
@lemonad: That, and the fact that some Twitter users will never make the move to Jaiku. Think about it for a sec.: almost every Jaiku user also has a Twitter account (even though they might not use it), while many Twitter users don't even know about Jaiku...
Twitter always felt like one big "in-club" to me. The whole time I was on there I don't think I felt welcome even once. Jaiku seems to encourage interaction more, building more of a community.
Holy frijoles... I go out to dinner and a huge conversation breaks loose! :D I guess this whole discussion exactly proves the point of how well Jaiku facilitates communication, whether or not the OP decides to remain involved.
One thing I would mention is that I kind of treat Jaiku (and Twitter and Pownce, if I must) as IM. I don't know the direct IM aliases for any of my Jaiku friends, and I have rarely e-mailed any of you directly (basically just Zach to save other people from all the Filipino food talk :D). Because I am always monitoring Jaiku throughout the day via different means, it might as well be IM. I would go further to say that I am lazy about replying to e-mails sometimes, so you might indeed get a faster reply from me on Jaiku than e-mail.
So, I can see why Robert Scoble might be trying to use Facebook and Twitter as IM and e-mail replacements, but as some people already mentioned, it doesn't always work. But having sort of always "transparent" communication like on Jaiku also seems to invite more courtesy, as if we were all in one place talking face to face, rather than the rudeness that often permeates other internet communication like e-mail, which is nice. Well, sometimes it is that way. :)
@smperris: A lot of people on Twitter are clique-ish. And God forbid you ever say something against their precious Twitter (AHmissrogueEM). Actually, I am a bit sad about it because back when a lot of people signed on to Twitter during the SXSW hullabaloo, it seemed more new and malleable and inviting. You kind of felt like you got to be in the techie VIP room, listening in on the "A-listers" and hearing about new tech stuff before everyone else. That was the main appeal to me. There were lots of web 2.0-ey trends that got their start on Twitter, or were first broken on Twitter. But then it kind of got quiet, and Scoble's RSS feeds began to overwhelm, and it just doesn't seem that frenetic anymore.
that's just it. Twitter is microblogging, and personally, I question the usefulness of that, other than a glorified RSS reader. Jaiku is a conversation starter. As was mentioned above, I believe that technology should enable and enrich our real lives, and I think Jaiku does that to a much grander degree than Twitter.
@sheryl4321: I know what you mean. I know that the popular people on Twitter do have huge contact lists, so it's easy to miss random posts from other users who you aren't actively following. But I guess I go back to my original point that Twitter seems more like what you use if you want to talk at people and not necessarily care what they have to say back. And it's mainly because of how it's architected. No messages over 140 chars, and no real way of replying or taking the conversation very far. So I can't say it's entirely Twitter's fault.
BTW, the whole micro-blogging thing seems like a misnomer. Well, I guess with Twitter they force it to be true with limitations, even though people have been using it in different ways (which I think is more interesting). But with Jaiku, it really doesn't seem to apply, as @rcadden mentioned. I think that Jaiku is more like spontaneous discussion forums ( :D) and lifestreaming with the RSS feeds.
Agreed. I find it hard to put a finger on why I find Jaiku so much more compelling than Twitter (or Pownce), despite the higher user numbers of those competitors. I think you've put it nicely.
Oh without a doubt at least here you can get info out. This is certainly a cross between a forum and a twitter ...perhaps a twitum. I really only use twitter to put strange things on my blog randomly, and in flock I can do that right from the address bar. but there is no social aspect with the way I use twitter
the only thing i would like Jaiku to have is a tiny little button that takes me back to the top of these long threads so I don't have to scroll for ever...(boy I'm getting Lazy)
<p>Jaiku is much more of a conversation enabler than twitter but the thing is that by removing the 140 character limit for comments Jaiku has also taken the step into content ownership. Take this conversation for example, who wouldn't have wanted it to to have taken place on their blog instead? I mean, post an entry this short and get 50 thought-through comments in response!</p>
<p>The question I ask myself is what Jaiku is going to do with its content? A couple of days later and this thread is gone from most people's overviews. How will you get to it then, how would anyone find it? Without links to it, it's sort of dead to Google, right? Had this been posted on a blog, a forum or even on facebook it wouldn't have been at all as temporary.</p>
<p>(Observe that I'm sort-of playing devils advocate here and I would never have put as much time as I have into Jaikungfu if I didn't like Jaiku a lot :)</p>
@lemonad: I wouldn't have gotten such a response if I had posted this as a rant on my blog instead of here. Because the audience is more limited, I guess it enables more possibility of participation. It is a bit unfortunate that currently Jaiku's small backlog is going to make this conversation disappear from a lot of people's overview, but I guess that's just how it is now. I could post a link to this discussion on my blog so that some other people outside of Jaiku could have the opportunity to read it (I just may do that) and possibly respond here or on my blog.
@jezlyn: That's exactly what I think people should do; post links to Jaiku conversations from blogs, flickr and other places in order to make it findable. That way, you still have control over the content :)
Re: Direct messaging - keep talking, I'll keep listening and making sure it gets passed on :)
I know there's some roadmap planning happening at the moment - I've passed on my collection of collated user input (including, either at, or near the top - direct messaging).
As a matter of policy, we prefer to not talk about features before they come out unless we have to, because then any delays on their implementation (which, let's face is, are more common than anyone would like) disappoint our users (coughUS shortcodecough), and the reality is that sometimes, we need to shuffle around the order in which we do things, so I'm not in a position to promise when you'll have it. But I can promise that we're hearing you.
@malach, that would be a terrific new feature - I'm with you in understanding how you shouldn't talk about upcoming features but it's nice to hear that it's out there somehow ;)
Mmmm, I don't know. As much as I like to rag on Pownce, it has the potential to be quite a competitor to Jaiku. Personally I don't care for how they handle notifications, showing replies, and all that, but by the same token, some people coming from Pownce (well, at least one that I know of) don't like how Jaiku implements notifications or conversations. shrug
I have gotten a few chatty contacts on there who often start decent threads, but the conversations aren't usually like this one. I think Pownce is more like Twitter in feel and tone, but with the ability to do discussion threads. It's kind of clique-y.
I mean, I've had my share of silly, fun conversations here (beer discussion anyone? Oh no, now I've done it), but the majority of the discussions I see on Pownce are more of that type than anything that gets too deep. There are exceptions, of course, and it could just be my contact list there, but that's my impression so far.
@jezlyn Of the three services (J, T & P), Pownce is the once I'm the less addicted to. Actually, it's been quite a long time since I last posted anything there. I log in every now and then to accept friend requests and click a couple links Kevin Rose or Leah Culver have posted, and that's it.
I didn't see any added value in it when it first came out, and I still don't see any now.
Interestingly enough, I'm least active on Twitter now. I mean, yes, I usually use TwitKu to post things to both Twitter and Jaiku, and I monitor interesting tweets and links on Twitter, but I find myself participating more in threads on Pownce than I am trying to reply to Twitter posts. That goes back to my frustration with Twitter not having a good way to reply to tweets.
Totally OT: What's funny is that even though Jaiku has better RSS integration, I find the Twitter bot for Engadget's feed alerts me to new stories sooner than Google Reader, since I'm monitoring via TwitKu more than I'm logging on to GReader.
how do you reply on twitter ?? I've tried to find the reply button a zillion times...its just not there !! no comment box either . Maybe i'm special :)
No, since Jaiku has the comment feature. But many people use it here too anyways, because it's very convenient when you want to address a particular person within a thread.
@ButchBrooklyn: Sorry all for being off-topic but the top-link that was requested earlier in this thread is now in version 0.1.11 of #jaikungfu (link is in the channel sidebar). Let me know if I've misunderstood the request entirely :)
note to all: consider this a buffer overflow stress test ;). started out as a small comment, but then browser crashed, i re-wrote what i had and added a few while whilst reading through this novel. hope you don't mind.
merlyn: that's what we're doing here, care to join in? there's tons of things broke we could try fixin' :)
jezlyn: more filipino food talk & pictures, pretty please! p.s. remind me who missrogue is, chris messina's partner-in-crime?
butch: true that regards scrolling such threads on mobile client. hash and star key would lend themselves for page up/down i think.
lemonad: great question on content ownership. i'd love to be able and repost some of these conversations on cerv.us, perhaps enabling non-jaiku users to comment there as well. thread would then have look & feel of my blog, yet be enriched and carried by the jaiku community. (anonymous) could be jaiku user name for unknown users, and the whole thing a premium feature - with a hefty price tag ;). voilá, there's your all-around communication platform... my zwo pfennig, anyway.
kencamp: thanks for your heads up, experience helps keep things in perspective ("dude, who needs old people." kidding.)
schmuck:@reply works well in current IM beta, but simply adds yours under last update or comment of the user you're replying to.
"Rathoooooooolllllle..." (I prefer Merlin Mann's original jingle over the longer, fan-submitted version. The fan-submitted one is cheesy. :P)
I had no idea that the topic had been further replied to. :) Yes, @missrogue is Chris Messina's wife (?). She just didn't really post much that I was interested in. And she had kind of a bad attitude toward new Twitter users (i.e. the flood that came around SXSW time). Anyway, bygones. Removed her from my contact list, no harm, no foul.
I took a picture of my favorite Filipino ice cream flavor the other night, but I haven't gotten around to sending it from my phone. I bet many people will be shocked by its vibrant color. :)
I posted a link to this thread on my blog, and as expected, no comments were submitted. So I'm glad I started this thread here. Got a lot more discussion here that was worthwhile.
replying on twitter would mean copying the persons username ..who you want to address the reply to. Jaiku is better that way.. just hit the submit button and ur done. No pesky usernames to remember
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There are a select few that sometimes comment back, but for the most part it's like talking in a vacuum. :P (i.e. comments to @mollywood re: Apple pricing)
2 years, 3 months ago by jezlyn
Yeah, I agree. I wish I could get a couple of my Twitter friends to come to Jaiku, but the last Twitter contact I told about Jaiku expressed a very brief interest, but didn't follow up. sigh
2 years, 3 months ago by jezlyn
Another satisfied twitterer... ;)
2 years, 3 months ago by zacharye
When I was trying to get Josh Bancroft to come to Jaiku, I told him I felt like Twitter was for talking at people, while Jaiku was for talking with people. I dunno if perhaps he felt annoyed by that (though I don't think so), or whatever, but I feel that it's true.
2 years, 3 months ago by jezlyn
Exactly. Which is why Twitter is more popular.
2 years, 3 months ago by rubin
I always feel like I'm shouting in Twitter since there's no way to see something that just passes by like in Jaiku - especially as a comment on something. Love the threads - and the substance.
2 years, 3 months ago by atmasphere
It was very cool for getting updates during the Apple announcement, but I just feel too limited by it otherwise. Of course, part of that is because it's hard for me to keep to a 140-char limit. smirk
2 years, 3 months ago by jezlyn
When I do see extended "conversations" there, I think to myself how much nicer the flow would be if they were on Jaiku, and how much more input they could be getting from other people.
2 years, 3 months ago by jezlyn
Yes. Twitter's success is often said to reside in its simplicity, but I think that's not true. I think it resides in the fact that you can broadcast your small 140-char. messages without getting any unwanted feedback.
2 years, 3 months ago by rubin
<p>@rubin: Definitely. I would add that it's not only about unwanted feedback, it's about not ignoring people as well. With twitter it's surprising and serendipitous if, say, Robert Scoble replies. Heck, it's pretty cool if anyone replies. Which is also why it works so well—you don't have to reply and there are no hard feelings. I like twitter because of that.</p> <p>I'm not sure how Jaiku would work for the top twitterers. How would they deal with the feedback and questions?</p>
2 years, 3 months ago by lemonad
Well, I had some hard feelings! :P I admit, I shouldn't really expect people on the "A list" to respond. But when I see someone post a reply to someone, it makes me think they might also reply to me. It's annoying when they don't.
By the same token, I have accidentally not replied to someone on Twitter because I didn't realize they had sent me a message until it was too late. And when that happens, it's not like on Jaiku, where I could send a reply even though it's late. If more than maybe a few hours has passed, the opportunity is gone. Sometimes that's fine, but sometimes it feels like people on there have ADD to the max. :P
2 years, 3 months ago by jezlyn
I realize I'm on the Z-list, and barely even that, but if I've ever done it to you, I'm real sorry. :-\
2 years, 3 months ago by rcadden
@rcadden: Aww, how nice. :) Well, first of all, you have never ignored me, even when we had our disagreements re: iPhone ( :) ). We've had pretty good discussions here. Secondly, I don't think I have you as a Twitter contact...
I'm just annoyed in general at how NOT like Jaiku Twitter is. I suppose I've gotten too used to free-flowing convos here that when I don't get that on Twitter (hell, even Pownce has better conversational flow), it's frustrating. What most Twitter users interpret as simple lack of interest in responding, I take it as outright ignoring (does that make sense?). Feh. I will just monitor Twitter and have my "real" interaction here.
Hey, Atmasphere. Maybe you can work on Josh Bancroft to get him over here!
2 years, 3 months ago by jezlyn
@rcadden: And you are not on the Z-list!
2 years, 3 months ago by jezlyn
well, whatever list I'm on, lol.
2 years, 3 months ago by rcadden
@lemonad - depends if they want to control the conversation, or guide it.
I've found here, that the 'principle' (ie, the conversation starter) doesn't have to be around to answer every comment - they can just start, and answer the ones that interest them - and their community/followers/fans will join in and help out.. just by getting involved in the conversation.
Personally, I prefer a meritocracy of ideas to a publisher-autocracy.
2 years, 3 months ago by malach
I've made my strong push for Jaiku on Twitter previously ... It's not the features, but the people that make any service sticky.
Twitter is uncontrolled on all levels. To me it's like seeing an outdoor ad you can reply to but the person to whom you are replying may bit see you if they don't make you a contact or happen to be be away when you do. Jaiku captures all of it which is civil on all fronts.
2 years, 3 months ago by atmasphere
This reminds me of something: Last week, I was looking for an IM app on Facebook, but couldn't find anything satisfactory. So I asked Robert Scoble the question on his Facebook wall: which app does he recommend?
Well, first, he responded. And pretty quickly. Which means that some A-lister actually care about their audience.
Second, here was his answer: he doesn't use IM so much these days. He'd rather use Twitter for that purpose.
What do you think of that? Personally, if something might replace IM, it would be Jaiku, not Twitter.
2 years, 3 months ago by rubin
Yeah I don't like that answer. I translate that to mean "I don't like corresponding on a personal and usably interactive level so I use twitter. If I see it I see it, if I don't I don't."
2 years, 3 months ago by zacharye
keep in mind he is also prioritizing facebook over email right now ... Not exactly mainstream behavior though I suppose none of these services are
2 years, 3 months ago by atmasphere
Well he is actually deprioritizing any kind of private messaging. I can see the rationale for that, but I totally get Zach's point.
2 years, 3 months ago by rubin
If he's in the midst of some kind of experiment then that's a different story (I don't read his blog so I don't know). If he's attempting to actually change his main method of online comms from IM to twitter and email to facebook...
2 years, 3 months ago by zacharye
...then that's ridiculous imo. Technology is supposed to make things 'better' 'easier' and 'faster', not the opposite.
2 years, 3 months ago by zacharye
His basic asumption, if I got it right, is that public messages are faster to retrieve and should therefore be used as much as possible... It isn't completely ridiculous, but I don't think it can be applied to a business environment.
2 years, 3 months ago by rubin
Can it be applied to any environment? If you want to get a message to somone promptly and interact with them would you IM them or twitter/facebook message them? There's a reason the I stands for instant lol.
2 years, 3 months ago by zacharye
Well, there is some truth in saying that not all one-on-one communications require the degree of attention implied by IM or email. This is why you have Twitter, Jaiku or Pownce in the first place.
2 years, 3 months ago by rubin
EDIT: I meant: "This is why you have some on Twitter, Jaiku, or Pownce"
2 years, 3 months ago by rubin
be nice if AHEM we had direct messages on Jaiku ...
2 years, 3 months ago by atmasphere
@atmosphere AMEN to direct messaging! That's the one thing Twitter has over Jaiku.
2 years, 3 months ago by tndaisy1960
Yeah, let's reinvent the internet as a micro-internet, one protocol at a time!
2 years, 3 months ago by merlyn
@merlyn That's what they're doing over at Facebook, right?
2 years, 3 months ago by rubin
<p>Ouch, I've been away for an hour and so many things to comment on! I'll pick none (i.e. do the twitter ;) and say this: I can see going public with all communication in terms of showing how many things are talked about, asked and responded to each day. With email, there's a sort of vacuum. It might have taken a person less than a minute to write an ill-informed question and you an hour to try to set things right. Will that person read your reply? Who knows—so much can go wrong—it might get caught by spam filters, be misunderstood and angrily deleted, forgotten about, etc.</p> <p>If the same reply would have been posted on facebook, other people might read it and not email the same question. Additionally, they would also see that you responded to a bunch of people that day and understand that there's a limit to your time—and they would leave saying you were pretty cool to actually take the time to reply to all those other people, even if you didn't have the time to answer their question.</p>
2 years, 3 months ago by lemonad
@malach: I hear you, I definitely prefer Jaiku's style of conversation to twitter... but the thing is that, ehrm, twitter was my first and it's hard to forget about that even though it's over :)
2 years, 3 months ago by lemonad
@lemonad: That, and the fact that some Twitter users will never make the move to Jaiku. Think about it for a sec.: almost every Jaiku user also has a Twitter account (even though they might not use it), while many Twitter users don't even know about Jaiku...
2 years, 3 months ago by rubin
Twitter always felt like one big "in-club" to me. The whole time I was on there I don't think I felt welcome even once. Jaiku seems to encourage interaction more, building more of a community.
I like Jaiku. Even the name sounds happier :)
2 years, 3 months ago by smperris
Holy frijoles... I go out to dinner and a huge conversation breaks loose! :D I guess this whole discussion exactly proves the point of how well Jaiku facilitates communication, whether or not the OP decides to remain involved.
One thing I would mention is that I kind of treat Jaiku (and Twitter and Pownce, if I must) as IM. I don't know the direct IM aliases for any of my Jaiku friends, and I have rarely e-mailed any of you directly (basically just Zach to save other people from all the Filipino food talk :D). Because I am always monitoring Jaiku throughout the day via different means, it might as well be IM. I would go further to say that I am lazy about replying to e-mails sometimes, so you might indeed get a faster reply from me on Jaiku than e-mail.
So, I can see why Robert Scoble might be trying to use Facebook and Twitter as IM and e-mail replacements, but as some people already mentioned, it doesn't always work. But having sort of always "transparent" communication like on Jaiku also seems to invite more courtesy, as if we were all in one place talking face to face, rather than the rudeness that often permeates other internet communication like e-mail, which is nice. Well, sometimes it is that way. :)
2 years, 3 months ago by jezlyn
@smperris: A lot of people on Twitter are clique-ish. And God forbid you ever say something against their precious Twitter (AHmissrogueEM). Actually, I am a bit sad about it because back when a lot of people signed on to Twitter during the SXSW hullabaloo, it seemed more new and malleable and inviting. You kind of felt like you got to be in the techie VIP room, listening in on the "A-listers" and hearing about new tech stuff before everyone else. That was the main appeal to me. There were lots of web 2.0-ey trends that got their start on Twitter, or were first broken on Twitter. But then it kind of got quiet, and Scoble's RSS feeds began to overwhelm, and it just doesn't seem that frenetic anymore.
2 years, 3 months ago by jezlyn
Wow Look at the size of these comments Micro Blogging on Steroids
2 years, 3 months ago by ButchBrooklyn
that's just it. Twitter is microblogging, and personally, I question the usefulness of that, other than a glorified RSS reader. Jaiku is a conversation starter. As was mentioned above, I believe that technology should enable and enrich our real lives, and I think Jaiku does that to a much grander degree than Twitter.
2 years, 3 months ago by rcadden
@sheryl4321: I know what you mean. I know that the popular people on Twitter do have huge contact lists, so it's easy to miss random posts from other users who you aren't actively following. But I guess I go back to my original point that Twitter seems more like what you use if you want to talk at people and not necessarily care what they have to say back. And it's mainly because of how it's architected. No messages over 140 chars, and no real way of replying or taking the conversation very far. So I can't say it's entirely Twitter's fault.
2 years, 3 months ago by jezlyn
BTW, the whole micro-blogging thing seems like a misnomer. Well, I guess with Twitter they force it to be true with limitations, even though people have been using it in different ways (which I think is more interesting). But with Jaiku, it really doesn't seem to apply, as @rcadden mentioned. I think that Jaiku is more like spontaneous discussion forums ( :D) and lifestreaming with the RSS feeds.
2 years, 3 months ago by jezlyn
Agreed. I find it hard to put a finger on why I find Jaiku so much more compelling than Twitter (or Pownce), despite the higher user numbers of those competitors. I think you've put it nicely.
2 years, 3 months ago by beng
Oh without a doubt at least here you can get info out. This is certainly a cross between a forum and a twitter ...perhaps a twitum. I really only use twitter to put strange things on my blog randomly, and in flock I can do that right from the address bar. but there is no social aspect with the way I use twitter
2 years, 3 months ago by ButchBrooklyn
Some times when I have a lot to say I'm the first one to comment to clarify what i wanted to say I don't see anything wrong with that
2 years, 3 months ago by ButchBrooklyn
the only thing i would like Jaiku to have is a tiny little button that takes me back to the top of these long threads so I don't have to scroll for ever...(boy I'm getting Lazy)
2 years, 3 months ago by ButchBrooklyn
<p>Jaiku is much more of a conversation enabler than twitter but the thing is that by removing the 140 character limit for comments Jaiku has also taken the step into content ownership. Take this conversation for example, who wouldn't have wanted it to to have taken place on their blog instead? I mean, post an entry this short and get 50 thought-through comments in response!</p> <p>The question I ask myself is what Jaiku is going to do with its content? A couple of days later and this thread is gone from most people's overviews. How will you get to it then, how would anyone find it? Without links to it, it's sort of dead to Google, right? Had this been posted on a blog, a forum or even on facebook it wouldn't have been at all as temporary.</p> <p>(Observe that I'm sort-of playing devils advocate here and I would never have put as much time as I have into Jaikungfu if I didn't like Jaiku a lot :)</p>
2 years, 3 months ago by lemonad
@lemonad: I wouldn't have gotten such a response if I had posted this as a rant on my blog instead of here. Because the audience is more limited, I guess it enables more possibility of participation. It is a bit unfortunate that currently Jaiku's small backlog is going to make this conversation disappear from a lot of people's overview, but I guess that's just how it is now. I could post a link to this discussion on my blog so that some other people outside of Jaiku could have the opportunity to read it (I just may do that) and possibly respond here or on my blog.
2 years, 3 months ago by jezlyn
Nice, Ken, you rhymed. You're a poet and you didn't even know it!
2 years, 3 months ago by rcadden
@kencamp: Dang it, don't jinx it, Man...!
2 years, 3 months ago by jezlyn
@jezlyn: That's exactly what I think people should do; post links to Jaiku conversations from blogs, flickr and other places in order to make it findable. That way, you still have control over the content :)
2 years, 3 months ago by lemonad
@lemonad: Okay, I'll do it. :)
2 years, 3 months ago by jezlyn
Re: Direct messaging - keep talking, I'll keep listening and making sure it gets passed on :)
I know there's some roadmap planning happening at the moment - I've passed on my collection of collated user input (including, either at, or near the top - direct messaging).
As a matter of policy, we prefer to not talk about features before they come out unless we have to, because then any delays on their implementation (which, let's face is, are more common than anyone would like) disappoint our users (cough US shortcode cough), and the reality is that sometimes, we need to shuffle around the order in which we do things, so I'm not in a position to promise when you'll have it. But I can promise that we're hearing you.
2 years, 3 months ago by malach
@malach, that would be a terrific new feature - I'm with you in understanding how you shouldn't talk about upcoming features but it's nice to hear that it's out there somehow ;)
2 years, 3 months ago by angelmartinez
Direct messaging would do to Jaiku what Intel processors did to the Mac.
2 years, 3 months ago by rubin
@rubin: Nice analogy. :)
2 years, 3 months ago by jezlyn
Thank you! It just struck me. Dunno if it's accurate though ;-)
2 years, 3 months ago by rubin
By the way, did you guys notice how Pownce is pretty much out of the picture in this conversation? That can't be good for them...
2 years, 3 months ago by rubin
Pownce doesn't convince me yet. I don't know it just doesn't appeal to me at all that much....at least up to now.
2 years, 3 months ago by angelmartinez
Mmmm, I don't know. As much as I like to rag on Pownce, it has the potential to be quite a competitor to Jaiku. Personally I don't care for how they handle notifications, showing replies, and all that, but by the same token, some people coming from Pownce (well, at least one that I know of) don't like how Jaiku implements notifications or conversations. shrug
I have gotten a few chatty contacts on there who often start decent threads, but the conversations aren't usually like this one. I think Pownce is more like Twitter in feel and tone, but with the ability to do discussion threads. It's kind of clique-y.
I mean, I've had my share of silly, fun conversations here (beer discussion anyone? Oh no, now I've done it), but the majority of the discussions I see on Pownce are more of that type than anything that gets too deep. There are exceptions, of course, and it could just be my contact list there, but that's my impression so far.
2 years, 3 months ago by jezlyn
@jezlyn Of the three services (J, T & P), Pownce is the once I'm the less addicted to. Actually, it's been quite a long time since I last posted anything there. I log in every now and then to accept friend requests and click a couple links Kevin Rose or Leah Culver have posted, and that's it.
I didn't see any added value in it when it first came out, and I still don't see any now.
2 years, 3 months ago by rubin
Interestingly enough, I'm least active on Twitter now. I mean, yes, I usually use TwitKu to post things to both Twitter and Jaiku, and I monitor interesting tweets and links on Twitter, but I find myself participating more in threads on Pownce than I am trying to reply to Twitter posts. That goes back to my frustration with Twitter not having a good way to reply to tweets.
Totally OT: What's funny is that even though Jaiku has better RSS integration, I find the Twitter bot for Engadget's feed alerts me to new stories sooner than Google Reader, since I'm monitoring via TwitKu more than I'm logging on to GReader.
2 years, 3 months ago by jezlyn
@rubin - make us faster and cheaper? Or less stable? :)
2 years, 3 months ago by malach
@malach: Make you the only sensible choice.
2 years, 3 months ago by rubin
how do you reply on twitter ?? I've tried to find the reply button a zillion times...its just not there !! no comment box either . Maybe i'm special :)
2 years, 3 months ago by schmmuck
@schmmuck: You do exactly what I'm doing right now - type in the name of the user you're replying to, starting with an @
2 years, 3 months ago by rubin
ohh..thanks for the tip. does the same method work for jaiku too ?
2 years, 3 months ago by schmmuck
No, since Jaiku has the comment feature. But many people use it here too anyways, because it's very convenient when you want to address a particular person within a thread.
2 years, 3 months ago by rubin
Jaiku rocks btw...!! Even tho twitter started the whole microblogging trend...Jaiku seems to have capitalized on it.
2 years, 3 months ago by schmmuck
@ButchBrooklyn: Sorry all for being off-topic but the top-link that was requested earlier in this thread is now in version 0.1.11 of #jaikungfu (link is in the channel sidebar). Let me know if I've misunderstood the request entirely :)
2 years, 3 months ago by lemonad
note to all: consider this a buffer overflow stress test ;). started out as a small comment, but then browser crashed, i re-wrote what i had and added a few while whilst reading through this novel. hope you don't mind.
merlyn: that's what we're doing here, care to join in? there's tons of things broke we could try fixin' :)
jezlyn: more filipino food talk & pictures, pretty please! p.s. remind me who missrogue is, chris messina's partner-in-crime?
butch: true that regards scrolling such threads on mobile client. hash and star key would lend themselves for page up/down i think.
lemonad: great question on content ownership. i'd love to be able and repost some of these conversations on cerv.us, perhaps enabling non-jaiku users to comment there as well. thread would then have look & feel of my blog, yet be enriched and carried by the jaiku community. (anonymous) could be jaiku user name for unknown users, and the whole thing a premium feature - with a hefty price tag ;). voilá, there's your all-around communication platform... my zwo pfennig, anyway.
kencamp: thanks for your heads up, experience helps keep things in perspective ("dude, who needs old people." kidding.)
schmuck: @reply works well in current IM beta, but simply adds yours under last update or comment of the user you're replying to.
regards flow: an example on how conversation don't flow on twitter, see today's http://twitter.com/steverubel
note to self: dude, that really ain't micro-blogging no more. we need better words for what we're doing here, is @davewiner around?
lemonad: p.p.s being off-topic is fine and actively encouraged. plays the rathole radio jingle.
2 years, 3 months ago by cervus
i scared them away :))
2 years, 3 months ago by cervus
"Rathoooooooolllllle..." (I prefer Merlin Mann's original jingle over the longer, fan-submitted version. The fan-submitted one is cheesy. :P)
I had no idea that the topic had been further replied to. :) Yes, @missrogue is Chris Messina's wife (?). She just didn't really post much that I was interested in. And she had kind of a bad attitude toward new Twitter users (i.e. the flood that came around SXSW time). Anyway, bygones. Removed her from my contact list, no harm, no foul.
I took a picture of my favorite Filipino ice cream flavor the other night, but I haven't gotten around to sending it from my phone. I bet many people will be shocked by its vibrant color. :)
I posted a link to this thread on my blog, and as expected, no comments were submitted. So I'm glad I started this thread here. Got a lot more discussion here that was worthwhile.
2 years, 3 months ago by jezlyn
replying on twitter would mean copying the persons username ..who you want to address the reply to. Jaiku is better that way.. just hit the submit button and ur done. No pesky usernames to remember
2 years, 3 months ago by schmmuck